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Brenda S. Tolian and Joy Yehle bring the horrific, strange, and unusual to you. Interviews, books, writers, and anything else that catches our writer's imagination. Welcome to the Burial Plot. Enjoy our autopsies of various subjects.
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Body to Burial is a new podcast that follows the body trail from the crime scene to the final resting ground. Each week we bring you exclusive, in-depth, unscripted conversations with death and crime-adjacent professionals. These conversations explore the intricacies of their field and examine the physical, mental, and emotional toll that comes from making a living off of crime and death. Join us for a deep dive into the people and processes involved with death—from body to burial.
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Happy Halloween! Nothing but treats here. PART TWO of our Halloween collab is available now! As a reminder, thirteen true crime podcasts including Body To Burial (yay!) came together to share dark and disturbing stories. From haunted houses to serial killers, these tales will send chills down your spine and keep you up at night. Join us for this sp…
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This Halloween, thirteen true crime podcasts come together to share dark and disturbing stories. From haunted houses to serial killers, these tales will send chills down your spine and keep you up at night. Join us for this special 2-part Halloween episode entitled "When Darkness Calls" as we explore the darkest corners of humanity. But be warned: …
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In this week's episode, we venture into the world of the unknown and delve into the realm of the paranormal. Join us as we introduce Chicago Paranormal Investigators, Dave Olson and Matt Perry. Together, we unravel the enigmatic mysteries surrounding mobsters, Native American legends, and the inexplicable energies that haunt specific locations. Fro…
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On this week episode we welcome, Brandon Hall, 911 Dispatcher and host of the podcast Music City 911. Brandon invites Niki and I into the world of emergency call centers, exploring the various questions asked during different types of emergencies, the challenges faced when handling sensitive cases such as suicide calls, and the aftermath of such ev…
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On this week’s episode we welcome Beth Bigler, Pet Loss Grief Counselor. Together, we are exploring the topic of pet loss grief and how to navigate the complex emotions that come with it. Beth shares her experience in empowering and validating animal grievers, and the unique challenges faced by those grieving the loss of a beloved animal companion.…
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This week we welcome Fire/Arson Investigation Specialist Nicole Brewer, IAAI-CFI(V), CFEI, ECT, CI. Nicole shares her experience investigating fires and how she determines the origin and cause of a fire, including how fire behavior and patterns can help narrow down the area of origin. Nicole educates us in the challenges of investigating "black hol…
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This week we welcome Ashley Gompert Crime Report at The Anniston Star. Ashley shares her experience covering crime stories and how it can impact a journalist's mental health. Tune in as we explore gripping tales involving crime, investigation, and the power of journalism. Want more Body To Burial? Become a Patreon to get access to exclusive Patreon…
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This week we welcome Steve Boots, Chaplain for a Virginia Police Department. Steve provides a comprehensive look at the vital work of chaplains in law enforcement. We delve into the role of chaplains in delivering challenging news to families and providing emotional and spiritual support to law enforcement. We discuss important topics such as suici…
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This week’s episode welcomes Adelle Archer, CEO & Co-Founder of Eterneva. Enterneva extracts carbon from ashes and hair to grow custom diamonds. These lab-grown diamonds are then cut and certified for authenticity and can be set into personalized jewelry. Join us as we uncover the process of turning loved ones into diamonds and how it can provide a…
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This week we welcome Katherine Schweit, J.D., CCEP former Senior Executive at the FBI. Katherine spearheaded the agency's active shooter program and the development of the "Run Hide Fight" protocol after the Sandy Hook shooting. In this episode, she shares her knowledge of school safety protocols, the importance of emergency training for children, …
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In today's episode, we welcome Heather Malicoat to discuss a Deputy Warden's dynamic and unpredictable job. Tune in as we have a candid conversation about the challenges and triumphs of working in the criminal justice system and the case management process that helps released individuals successfully transition into society. Want more Body To Buria…
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This week we welcome Kat, a tattoo artist who specializes in honoring loved ones through her work by using cremated ashes in tattoo ink to create a unique memorial. The process is much like a traditional tattoo applied through conventional methods. It is the ink that is special. In these cremation tattoos, a small amount of cremation ash is infused…
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On this episode, we are very excited to welcome back author Daniel Braum (see episode 18). Daniel Braum writes “strange tales” in the tradition of Robert Aickman. His stories, set in locations around the globe, explore the tension between the psychological and supernatural. He is the author of the collections Underworld Dreams, The Wish Mechanics: …
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This week we are pulling from the patreon archives and welcoming, Sam Bernard, PhD, Emergency Management Psychologist. Sam is guiding us through as we explore crisis and trauma and how it can make us question our assumptions about health, fairness, and our worldviews. We explore the five categories of reactions to crisis events and how they can imp…
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This week we welcome Dani. She is introducing us to a non-profit organization called Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep, which provides professional photography services for remembrance photography. Dani shares her heart-wrenching story of loss, the road to closure, and how she found her life's purpose along the way. *Trigger Warning: In today's episode, w…
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In this week's episode, we delve into the world of funeral makeup artistry. Our guest today is India Henderson, a freelance funeral makeup artist who shares her experience and insights into a field that is often forgotten about. India discusses everything from the challenges of convincing funeral homes of the value of professional makeup to the imp…
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This week we welcome Matt Murphy, former homicide prosecutor. In 2002 Matt worked the homicide unit in Orange County, where he was assigned the cities of Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, Costa Mesa, and Irvine. Although murders in those cities are relatively rare, when they do happen, they tend to be twisted and newsworthy. Unlike many other agencies, …
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This week we welcome Ashleigh Vogel, Forensic Toolmark Examiner. Ashleigh is guiding us through her routine to complex technical examinations of pretty much any item that is used in a crime, from screwdrivers to bolt cutters. She examines the various types of manufacturer, class, and individual characteristics of tools and tool marks on a variety o…
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This week we welcome BACK for her part two episode, Kimberlie Massnick, Ph.D. Kimberlie is educating us on criminology, which is devoted to studying crime and deviant behaviors. But we aren’t stopping there. Next is victimology, the study of relationships between victims and offenders and the psychological effects on victims. Want more Body To Buri…
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This week we welcome Kimberlie Massnick, Ph.D. Kimberlie is the driving force behind The Institute for Cold Case Investigations at Indian River State College. This applied-learning initiative gives students enrolled in their Criminal Justice Bachelor’s degree program real-world experience as they work with local law enforcement agencies toward reso…
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This week we welcome Kyle Sherwood of Save My Ink Forever. Save My Ink Forever is the process of creating tattoo memorialization for loved ones and family members when they have someone pass away. Join us as we discuss the process of creating this unique memorial. We promise it’s like nothing you have heard before. Selected Links from the Episode h…
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This week we welcome Mark Safarik. Mark was one of the most respected members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's elite Behavioral Analysis Unit. During that time, he established himself as an internationally recognized expert in analyzing and interpreting violent criminal behavior. Today, Mark is the President of Forensic Behavioral Services,…
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This bonus episode brings you a swap from our friends Allison & Maggie, the Coffee & Cases Podcast hosts. If you enjoy this episode, please consider leaving them a five-star review, and of course, remember to give their show a follow! Niki and I will be back with a new episode on Tuesday! Coffee & Cases Show Notes: Dead cats, cut phone lines, arson…
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Tasha is a fan of all things horror, a dog mom, a freelance editor, and an avid reader. She's the host of The Ghoulish Gallery Podcast, where she discusses local cryptids, urban legends, and other spooky things with her guests from all over the world, and loves collaborating with other creators. She's also the founder of The Sinister Scoop - a horr…
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On this episode, we are joined by author Jeff Wood. Author Jeff Wood lives in Colorado Springs, where he spends way too much time staring at the night sky, and a little too much time watching baseball. His stories have appeared in over 30 publications such as Boston Phoenix, New York Press, Wild Musette, Fiction at Work, Bright Desire, The Greyrock…
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This week we welcome Derrick Levasseur. Now, if you are a reality TV fan, you may recognize Derrick from CBS Big Brother, or you might recognize his voice as the host of the podcast Crime Weekly. Niki and I welcome Derrick to the mic to discuss his undercover detective time. Derrick is a decorated police sergeant from Rhode Island. Hired at only tw…
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This week we welcome Mark McClish. Mark is a retired Supervisory Deputy United States Marshal with 26 years of federal law enforcement experience. Mark spent nine years teaching interview techniques, and during this time, he conducted research on deceptive language. He would later develop processes that determine if a person is lying or telling the…
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This week we welcome Dr. Yvette Ghannam, and she is introducing us to the world of Microbial Forensics and biothreats. Microbial forensics is the scientific discipline that analyzes evidence from a bioterrorism act, biocrime, hoax, or inadvertent microorganism/toxin release for attribution purposes. Microbial forensics combines the practices of epi…
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This week we welcome husband and wife team Robyn Lacy and Ian Petty, they have a combined 20 years of experience as archaeologists, gravestone conservators, and cultural heritage technicians. They have worked across Canada and the United States, as well as on the Isle of Man, recording gravestones and cemeteries, conducting archaeological surveys, …
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This week we welcome criminal defense lawyer Joel Schwartz. Many know Joel as the defense lawyer who defended Russ Faria, who was wrongfully convicted of murdering his wife, Elizabeth “Betsy” Faria. Betsy’s friend, Pamela Hupp, was a crucial witness in helping put Russ behind bars. And Schwartz would work endlessly to see Russ released – and to dis…
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This week we welcome retired FBI forensic artist Lisa Bailey. Lisa is a highly skilled and professionally trained individual who works alongside crime-solving teams to create visual reconstructions of suspects and victims. And today, she guides us through creating these visual aids – the method commonly referred to as “Facial approximation” attempt…
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This week we welcome Joe Adserias-Garriga Forensic Odontologist. Forensic odontology is the application of dental evidence to both criminal and civil law. This can include identifying sexual abuse; personal identification of the deceased when facial recognition is inconclusive; or in determining ages of unidentified victims. Joe has four master’s d…
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This week we welcome Jacquelyn Wright, CSI. We are starting 2023 with a first-hand account of life as a crime scene investigator. We learn the ins and outs of processing a crime scene, collecting evidence, and locating all those critical pieces that assist in solving the mystery. Want more Body To Burial? Become a Patreon to get access to exclusive…
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This week we welcome Emily Bingham, Certified Grief Educator & Coach. After the loss of her husband in 2019 to Uveal Melanoma, she founded moveTHRU, which allowed her to create new meaning out of her tragedy by helping others heal from theirs. What is the primary goal of moveTHRU? To teach others that the human experience isn’t about living in perp…
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This week we welcome Tracy Sargent. She brings over twenty-one years of experience working alongside her K9 companions as a search-and-rescue team. Tracy's four-legged partners are trained to find missing people after a natural or man-made disaster. Want more Body To Burial? Become a Patreon to get access to exclusive Patreon-only content and BTS. …
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This week we welcome Jose Vicente, Certified Polygraph Examiner. The Polygraph, often incorrectly referred to as a lie detector, is a procedure that measures and records physiological markers, such as; breathing rate, pulse, blood pressure, and perspiration. You know, all those beautiful sensations you experience in a moment of stress, like when yo…
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This week we welcome Forensic Archaeologist Julie Evo. Julie explains how she combines the knowledge of osteology and human remains with archaeological techniques to help recover finds and provide vital evidence for an investigative team. Forensic archaeologists like Julie are employed to excavate and recover human remains, personal items, weapons,…
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This week we welcome Forensic Pathologist, Judy Melinek M.D. Judy is an American forensic pathologist and the CEO of PathologyExpert. She is currently working as a contract pathologist in Wellington, New Zealand. She is the co-author with her husband, writer T.J. Mitchell, of the New York Times–bestselling memoir Working Stiff: Two Years, 262 Bodie…
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The Burial Plot returns! Welcome back after our unavoidable hiatus, but we are still ALIVE! In this episode, we sit down with author P.L. McMillan whose works have been known to cause rifts in time and space itself... Well, not quite. But writing often makes her feel that powerful. With a passion for cosmic horror and sci-fi horror, P.L. McMillan s…
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This week we welcome The Green Reaper, Elizabeth Fournier. Elizabeth is a green burial funeral director, educator, and advocate for sustainable burial options. One of those options is natural organic reduction (NOR) or human composting. NOR is a more natural approach to the disposition of one’s body after death. This process returns the body’s nutr…
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This week we welcome Expert Jury Consultant Laurie Kuslansky, Ph.D. Laurie assists legal teams and helps them better understand the jurors they are likely to face, the hidden biases they may have, and the absolute best narrative to present to persuade a jury. She accomplishes this task through jury research, case assessment, developing a case theme…
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This week we welcome Kurt Kaner, Search & Recovery Diver. Kurt served in the Chicago Police Department Marine Unit for 17 years. Today he is bringing us to Lake Michigan, his workplace, and his office, where the water is often murky and can drop to a temperature of 34 degrees. Kurt gives us a first-hand account of the treacherous day-to-day operati…
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This week we welcome Tiffany Roy, a Forensic DNA expert with over thirteen years of forensic biology experience in both public and private laboratories in the United States. She has processed thousands of DNA samples and thousands of cases over the course of her career. She has provided expert witness testimony in more than one hundred cases in sta…
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This week we welcome Melissa Meadow, a licensed funeral director with a mission to be transparent, honest, and open-minded guide to those who are seeking a meaningful end of life exit. Melissa has an intimate knowledge of all eco friendly disposition methods and today she walks us through the process of water cremation, also known as Alkaline Hydro…
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This week we welcome Joni E. Johnston, Psy.D. Joni is a clinical Forensic Psychologist who has worked in both criminal and civil work since 1991. She has worked in a maximum-security prison and for prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys. Join the conversation as Joni takes us into the human brain and explains the process of conducting competenc…
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This week we welcome Mitzi Wood Von-Mizener, Director of Narrow Ridge Earth Literacy Center and Natural Burial Preserve. Mitzi guides us through the tranquil and beautiful process that occurs when individuals choose a green burial for their final disposition method. In its most basic explanation, natural or green burials are a simple form of burial…
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This week we welcome Charles Riley, Digital Forensic Detective. Charles talks us through the three primary sources of digital evidence: internet-based, stand-alone computers or devices, and mobile devices. We deep dive into our digital footprints and just how much of it is recoverable. And answer the burning question, just how detailed is the recov…
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This week we welcome Susan Kanack, Forensic Nurse Examiner. Forensic nurses are registered nurses who blend the holistic care of nursing of the body, mind, and spirit – to include principles from the law, medicine, and science. A forensic nurse provides comprehensive care to victims of violence while conducting a medical forensic exam, including ev…
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This week we welcome Nicole, the crime scene cleaner. Nicole spends 9-10 hours cleaning carpets, scrubbing walls, cleaning furniture, and airing out strong smells. Oh, and did we mention that also includes cleaning blood, body parts, and other foul bodily fluids. Hazmat up and listen in to a day in the life of a crime scene cleaner. Want more Body …
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This week we welcome Julie McFadden, best known as Hospice Nurse Julie, on TikTok. Julie joins us to debunk several myths around hospice care and dying, from ‘The Rally,’ to seeing loved ones and even the typical signs/symptoms during the death journey. Selected Links from the Episode Connect with Julie: IG Tik Tok: Hospice Nurse Julie Want more Bo…
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