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Marie-Claire O’Brien talks to Steph Cutler about the legitimacy of lived experience being a catalyst for change in the criminal justice system. She shares the challenges and her hopes for greater opportunities and inclusion. Jason N Smith then uses his lived experience to creative effect.
Quotes & timings
3:15 We need to find other innovative ways of engaging with prisoners once they are released.
5:38 The commissioning landscape has changed, so there is a much larger focus on lived experience leadership
6:58 Organisations will come and speak to service users and just extract what they need
17:42 She’s got a conviction and look at the career and the respect she’s carved out for herself.
21:55 We need to lift the stigma about what rehabilitation looks like
22:38 we can see the gaps that need filling, we can see the pathways that are broken
24:58 Our passion can err on the side of unmanageability or unprofessionalism and this is a quandary
27:25 This is the clincher with the criminal justice system, this notion of risk
30:40 Jason’s poem
Resources
The Value of Lived Experience in Social Change: The Need for Leadership and Organisational Development in the Social Sector By Baljeet Sandhu
http://thelivedexperience.org/report/
About the guests
Marie-Claire is one of the most successful Entrepreneurs with lived experience of the criminal justice system in the UK. She is the Founder and CEO of New Leaf. New Leaf has supported hundreds of adult and youth offenders to change their lives, utilising the power of lived experience, education and positive networks to deliver a holistic and person-centred service. She sits on the Steering committee for the Prisoner Learning Alliance and the expert panel of lived experience for the Criminal Justice Alliance. She is a First-Class honours student from the University of Warwick.
Website: The New Leaf Initiative - A Rehabilitation Evolution (newleafcic.org) Twitter: Marie-Claire@NewLeaf (@newleafcic) / Twitter Facebook: The New Leaf Initiative CIC | Facebook
Jason is an award-winning writer and spoken word artist who performs nationally at literature events. He has published a popular collection of poetry titled, ‘Beyond Words’ and has also released an album and book. He has worked as a Community Support Worker for CRC Probation in Stoke on Trent and is now a development Coach for young people in care. Jason is a Trustee of Safe Ground, a charity which delivers programmes within the justice system.
Resource:https://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Witness-Mr-Jason-Smith/dp/B089C8H9QQ & https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Words-Jason-N-Smith-ebook/dp/B077MPCGZ3/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=beyond+words+jason+smith&qid=1601918121&s=digital-text&sr=1-1 Twitter: Jason N Smith S.A.C. (@wordsmith212) / Twitter
Steph Cutler is a speaker, trainer and coach. Her inclusion consultancy, Making Lemonade specialises in disability equality and she is a Clore Social Leadership fellow. She was recognised as one of the 100 most influential disabled people in the UK in 2018 on the Disability Power100 list and has been a judge since.
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