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Fat Mascara

Jennifer Sullivan & Jessica Matlin

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Beauty journalists Jessica Matlin and Jennifer G. Sullivan have insider access to the industry and they’re not gatekeeping. On Wednesdays, they talk candidly about beauty news, cultural trends, and the latest products and treatments. On Fridays, they get their high-profile guests to open up about their relationship to Beauty Culture and the inner workings of the industry. Join the duo that pioneered the beauty podcast for a smart, funny, totally unfiltered discussion of all things beaut on A ...
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THE PRO-AGING PODCAST

Dr. Paul Jarrod Frank

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Celebrity cosmetic dermatologist, Pro-Aging influencer and bestselling author Dr. Paul Jarrod Frank taps his network of leading experts to help you navigate the latest beauty and wellness trends, technologies and lifestyle choices so you can positively transform the way you look and feel at every stage of your life.
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The founder of Summer Fridays and host of the podcast Life With Marianna opens up about the big business of “influencing.” Marianna Hewitt talks to Jess about parlaying her success on social media into a skincare brand and shares her tips for leading a more productive, creative life. Plus, why she’s into lash lifts, brow lamination, and body rollin…
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The gang’s all here for a special episode! We’re going to catch up after the summer, and then each of us will “Show & Tell” a recent beauty discovery. We also have a passionate debate about the difference between radiance and luminosity (not the same things!), and we answer a bunch of listener questions, including how to prep your skin for big even…
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On this episode of The Pro-Aging Podcast, I’m joined by the renowned board-certified plastic surgeon, Dr. Ryan Neinstein, founder of Neinstein Plastic Surgery in New York City. Specializing in minimally invasive liposculpting and mommy makeovers, Dr. Neinstein discusses his innovative approach of combining muscle, fat, and skin techniques to the de…
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Art historian Elizabeth L. Block shares fascinating stories about hair culture in 19th-century America that she uncovered while researching her new book, Beyond Vanity: The History and Power of Hairdressing. We’re talking about Victorian hair dishes; what shows like Bridgerton and The Gilded Age get right (and wrong) about beauty; the ingredients i…
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Jenn & Julee bring you gossip (and some standout beauty looks) from New York Fashion Week. We’re also talking about a less-expensive alternative to epidermal growth factor serums; a dreamy body glaze (different than an oil!); why every fragrance launch is a “collection”; the best and worst celebrity beauty lines; formaldehyde (still!?) in hair stra…
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The perfect serum drizzle, the fluffiest body-cream whip, the straightest arm swatches—prop stylist Kounthear Kuch has done it all. In this episode, she takes us behind the scenes of a beauty photo shoot, discusses the latest color and photo trends in beauty, and demystifies the very ASMR world of making beauty products look delicious. Episode reca…
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Jenn & Jess welcome intern Ellie Dixon into the studio to chat about why you may want an aluminum-free deodorant and which ones are best. Plus: students hiring makeup artists for the first day of school; why facialists are focusing more on clients’ necks; organizing tricks; a new chypre scent from Hermès; vanilla perfumes; water-based scents; e.l.f…
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Francisco Costa looks at beauty through a different lens. One of the biggest forces in fashion, the former women's creative director of Calvin Klein Collection speaks to Jess about his evolution from designer to beauty founder, with the launch of Costa Brazil, and shares his creative process around product development. He also gets candid about the…
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Let’s dig into some fall beauty trends, like bow nails, soft baddie and Igari makeup, “fox” hair color—and whether or not Jess should get bangs. Plus: lookism in the news, the couple who pioneered cosmetic Botox, bridal beauty, rediscovering Pillow Talk, and a lip gloss that tastes like Haribo peach gummies. And, in a special segment brought to you…
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Get to know Rihanna-approved facialist Sean Garrette. He shares his story, and we talk about skin barrier repair, facial percussion, his favorite at-home skincare devices, the best treatment for keratosis pilaris, why he puts retinol on his hands, and the three things you need for a “moisture sandwich” that will make your skin plumper and more hydr…
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We took a field trip to a New York City head spa, and we’ll tell you all about it. Then, Jess asks graphic designers why we’ve been seeing so many big, round, “wavy gravy” fonts in beauty packaging. Plus, we’re talking about executive changes at Estée Lauder Companies; an Anna Sui laptop with built-in perfume pods; the hot back-to-school beauty ite…
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What is a non-surgical facelift? Plastic surgeon Kimberly Lee, MD, explains all the cosmetic treatments it can entail: injections of fat, filler, or neuromodulators; PDO threads (aka, “thread lifts”); radiofrequency skin tightening; and lasers. Plus, she talks about the long-term effects of filler, Botox, and Micro-Coring; details her approach to f…
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What ridiculous beauty treatments are celebrities promoting this week? Jenn turns that question into a game for Garrett. Before that, Wolfgang test-drives Dolce & Gabbana’s perfume for dogs; we explain what’s going on with Avon and the talc lawsuits; and we look into the ingredient story behind Dyson’s new hair line. Plus: the beauty and wellness p…
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On this episode of The Pro-Aging Podcast, I catch up with board-certified plastic surgeon Dr. Daniel Maman. He specializes in breast augmentations and reconstructive surgery and is recognized for his approach to complex revisionary breast implant surgery for both aesthetic augmentation and breast cancer reconstruction. We discuss the evolution of b…
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Ellen Atlanta, the author of Pixel Flesh: How Toxic Beauty Culture Harms Women, explains how the digital age has amplified pressure on women, girls, and marginalized genders to meet increasingly unnatural beauty standards. We talk about the cultural phenomenon of the Kardashians, the Love Island aesthetic, whether the body-acceptance movement has s…
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Summer nights in New York City, perfume parties, new beauty commercials, Blake Brown Beauty, plastic surgery complications, a plumping blush (and where to put it), and tweezers for your pets…Jess & Jenn have a lot to discuss. Plus, in a special segment brought to you by Shiseido Ginza Tokyo and Acast Creative, we’ll introduce you to our new favorit…
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We’re getting into the not-so-glamorous details of building a beauty business with Maria Hatzistefanis, the founder & CEO of Rodial and Nip + Fab. We talk about contact manufacturing vs. white labeling, cost of goods, supply-chain issues, how to grow a brand without investors, and why there are so many celebrity lines. Plus: The surprising secret t…
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A listener called in with questions about the new whole-body deodorants, and Jenn & Garrett are here to help. Plus, we’re discussing at-home sleep apnea testing; why more men are using prestige skincare; some highlights from Cosmoprof (including a waterless shampoo and conditioner); Auntie Anne’s new perfume; and—in Science Corner!—a study explaini…
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#cleantok star Vanesa Amaro explains exactly how to organize your beauty products and keep them clean. What’s the best way to remove lint and dust from a hairbrush? How do you get the inside of your makeup bag clean? Which cleaning products should you use if you’re sensitive to fragrance? Vanesa—a pro housekeeper and the Queen of Clean on TikTok—ha…
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Jess & Jenn discuss how to respond when people comment on your appearance. Plus: the “underconsumption” trend; a growing body of research that shows neurotoxin injections (Botox, Dysport, Xeomin, etc.) may limit your ability to empathize; beauty marketers using Reddit to sell their products; Borghese spa mud; and the science of lip-softening balms …
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Learn how the U.S. military was involved in the development of hairspray, why redheads are so prevalent in Pre-Raphaelite paintings, and the surprising way women in Renaissance Italy used to dye their hair in this fascinating interview with hair historian Rachael Gibson. We also talk about hair as a symbol of resistance, the evolution of the modern…
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It’s a very sporty episode with Jenn & Julee: We’re talking about Olympian Suni Lee’s nails, how exercise affects the longevity of neurotoxin injections, the best sports bra for runners (Julee knows— she used to be a track star!), and more. Plus: Elizabeth Banks’s new movie, Skincare, and its real life inspiration; a detailed explanation of fragran…
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…and vice versa. In this collaborative episode, Jess & Jenn get vulnerable with Jonathan Van Ness, the Queer Eye star, host of the podcasts Getting Curious and Pretty Curious, and founder of JVN Hair. We swap beauty stories and discuss what first drew us to the industry. Plus, Jonathan opens up his struggles with social media and the bankruptcy of …
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First, can we talk about the Devil Wears Prada sequel? After that, Jenn & Jess discuss strawberry perfumes; share tips for entrepreneurs from the Estée Lauder Companies' New Incubation Ventures Symposium; and chat about the Miss AI beauty pageant, Troye Sivan's gig as the makeup ambassador for Rabanne, heavy metals in tampons, and why the young peo…
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Futurist, tech CEO, and makeup artist Alex Box, DDes, is working to make sure that as technology continues to evolve, our humanity and creativity isn’t lost. If you feel like social media, AI, and the metaverse are negatively affecting beauty standards, our self-esteem, and artist creativity, Alex offers an alternative: What if we all work together…
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In this confessional and juicy interview, hairstylist Sally Hershberger takes us back to SoCal in the late 1970s, and shares how she parlayed her rock-star-adjacent life into a full-on creative career, working in salons and then on set as one of the fashion world’s favorite hairstylists. She talks about giving Meg Ryan her famous shag haircut, crea…
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Kilian Hennessy, founder of Kilian Paris, talks about his famous last name, the history and semantics of fragrance, and the "potential consequences of making perfumed panties," in this interview, which originally aired in 2019. Plus, he explains why tuberose is better than Cheetos and what it’s like to be part of a big beauty conglomerate like Esté…
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Jenn and Garrett discuss their recent travels, including Garrett's spa experience at a Dubai wellness hotel. Then they ask Chat GPT for skincare advice in real time (things do not go well). Plus: Trends from the new American Society of Plastic Surgeons survey; iRoma’s technology that could make movies (and emojis!) smellable in the near future; an …
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Is blue light bad for your eyes—or your skin? Which lash-growth serums work without harming your eyes? Is it okay to tightline? How do redness-relieving eye drops work, and can you get addicted to them? What’s the best way to remove eye makeup? Ophthalmologist Nicky Shah, MD, cofounder of You & Eye by Dr. Nicky, is going to answer all those questio…
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Jess & Jenn share highlights from two beauty conferences, and then discuss the copywriting over at Vacation Inc.; the challenges of building a lasting fragrance brand; changes at Space NK; the beauty brands with Olympics tie-ins; new flanker products for Clinique Black Honey; the woman with hyperosmia (a super-sensitive olfactive ability) who can s…
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Ami Colé founder & CEO Diarrha N'Diaye-Mbaye went from social media manager (Temptu, L’Oréal) to product developer (Glossier) to starting a beauty brand for melanin-rich skin—and she’s refreshingly honest about what it took to get where she is. We discuss how her personal story is part of (but not the same thing as!) her brand; what it’s like to wo…
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Please welcome one more contributor to the Fat Mascara family: Julee Wilson is back and will be joining us more regularly! This week, she and Jenn discuss their shared dislike of rain shower heads; how to choose lip liner based on your nipple color (thanks, Glossier); the best products in the Fenty hair line; Beautyfor, a new organization helping t…
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Lip blushing, lip neutralization, restorative lip color, powder brows, microblading, how to remove permanent makeup—we’re going to learn about all of it with Christine Hwang (@newfacebychristine), a permanent makeup artist in New York City. She shares how to find a PMUA you can trust, how licensing works, the difference between regular tattoos and …
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Jess shares the gossip from two hot fragrance events in New York City. Then, we discuss Epcot’s Norwegian perfumer in residence; Fenty Hair; Sarah Creal’s new line; Olaplex skincare (is it happening?); Tweezerman tools for pet owners; powdered shampoo; buttercup-yellow nail polish; and the delightful Bask sunscreen that will keep you protected even…
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Actress, author, and entrepreneur Brooke Shields talks about an inherent tension in her life: She knows beauty is power and yet she struggles with that very idea. In this podcast exclusive, she discusses growing up on camera, how she wants her daughters to approach social media, our culture’s obsession with image and beauty—and Commence, her new ha…
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An eye cream that actually does something! Teenage boys buying $300 cologne! And more: The new hair-thinning clinic where Garrett got PRP therapy, prestige beauty brands on Amazon.com, a listener’s request for an all-in-one night cream for “people in their 30s,” and a review of Makeup by Mario’s new Multi-use Bronzing & Shaping Serum. Products ment…
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Consider this podcast a masterclass in makeup brushes—even if you’re a makeup artist, we promise you’ll learn something new! Anisa Telwar Kaicker’s company, Anisa International, has been manufacturing brushes for top beauty brands since 1992, and its innovations in cruelty-free fibers have helped to make the industry more ethical. Anisa is also the…
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We’re kicking off summer with Jess, who's back from her “sabbatical” to tell us about her beauty adventures with Moda Operandi and discuss the latest: Grown Alchemist bumps Kiehl’s out of Equinox gyms; fragrances of the future (will they smell like butter or body odor?); the blush boom; a listener’s discovery of GirlCult cosmetics; a solid shampoo …
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Hairstylist Jawara is one of the most in-demand creatives in fashion today. He’s worked with artists like Beyoncé, Rihanna, Dua Lipa, and his longtime collaborator Solange, and created images for Off-White, Gucci, Hermès, Vogue, and i-D (he’s currently their senior beauty editor at large). We met Jawara in 2018 (when this interview originally aired…
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In honor of Skin Cancer Awareness Month, we’re replaying this interview with dermatologist Orit Markowitz, MD, a skin-cancer specialist and the founder of OptiSkin. She’ll explain why regular skin checks are more important than monitoring your moles and age spots, the latest ways to treat skin cancer without scarring, and how to protect your skin f…
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We're kicking off Season 3 of The Pro-Aging Podcast with guest Jessica Matlin, an OG in the beauty industry and a long-time colleague and friend. Jessica was the Beauty Director at Harper's Bazaar, one of the most prominent beauty magazines during the print era. She co-founded the highly influential podcast, Fat Mascara, a staple in the beauty indu…
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Photographer and host Amanda de Cadenet has made a career of passing the figurative and literal mic to women, letting them share their stories and shape their own images. Now, it's her turn: The founder of The Conversation and GirlGaze talks about why women's stories are often minimized, our culture's endless obsession with youth, and the taboo top…
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Erica Metzger—founder of the Beauty Loop and Virtual Beauty Closet—is here to play Beauty Detective for listeners, tracking down replacements for products that have been discontinued, including a Clinique mascara, Urban Decay perfume, and RMS Beauty nail polish. Erica also has tips for how you can find a replacement for products you still miss. Plu…
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Aesthetician Shani Darden stopped by the morning after the Met Gala to talk about all the celebrities she prepped for the red carpet—and chat with Jenn about fashion’s biggest night. After the celebrity gossip, Shani shares her suggestions for getting your skin in its best shape ever for a big event (wedding, reunion, vacation, etc.). She explains …
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Who remembers Intern Tiff? Tiffany Sukhnandan is no longer our intern (she’s a marketing manager in the beauty industry!), but she’s back to hang out with Jenn and talk about sun visors; what she’s learned being behind the scenes at a dermatologist skincare brand; how badly Youthforia missed the mark expanding its range of skin tints; Charlotte Til…
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Board-certified OB/GYN Dr. Shieva Ghofrany is here to talk about all the ways hormones affect a woman’s appearance throughout her life, from acne and hair growth to dry skin and vulva changes. We discuss pregnancy-safe skincare and what cosmetic treatments are safe for pregnant women; why you may look different during different times in your cycle;…
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Please welcome writer Brennan Kilbane (Air Mail, Allure, etc.) to the virtual studio! He’s here to chat with Jenn about keratopigmentation, a procedure to change your eye color (!!); beauty newsletters; self-tanning peptides and the “Barbie” drug; bad Google reviews of haircuts; beauty brands funding TV shows and movies; a perfect summertime founda…
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What is the absolute best way to get a self-tan that looks natural? Celebrity skincare, self-tanning, and nail expert Nichola Joss (creator of the Inner Facial) is here to tell us…in detail. In this interview, which originally aired in 2017, she covers everything from the prep to the technique to the right products. Plus, she explains how Kate Moss…
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Lots of you asked to hear more from guest co-host Garrett Munce, so he’s back! We’re talking about the surprising skin and hair products one woman found in her date’s bathroom; counterfeit Botox; the movie version of Cat Marnell’s book, How to Murder Your Life; salons for people with autism spectrum disorder, sensory-processing disorder, and relate…
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How do you shop for eco-friendlier beauty products? What are high-value plastics? How can beauty brands make their components better for the environment? We’re going to tackle all those questions with sustainable operations expert Carly Snider, the executive director of Pact Collective, a nonprofit that’s uniting the beauty industry to work toward …
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